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« on: April 28, 2010, 02:54:43 pm »

Can't understand stuff about GB? Infinity Fortress too hard to comprehend? Ask any doubts you may have here. Me, or others will answer it for you. Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2010, 03:08:48 pm »

This is an FAQ I compiled years ago, I hope this is helpful for DIEHARD Getbackers fans. Casual fans may/may not find it boring. This is the Anime version.. as you know Anime differs from the manga in some aspects. So the info here may or may not apply to Manga.


1# What exactly is Maze City(Infinity Fortress)? I can't understand what's going on there.

Maze city is a very unique place. You won't find such a place in any Anime or Hollywood movies. You often hear Ban saying "It's a place where reality and virtual-reality collides". What that means is, unlike say in The Matrix where someone has to get plugged through wires in order to get into the virtual world, in Maze city- as soon you enter it you get automatically plugged into the virtual reality system(built into the Babylon tower) though wireless means(Microwaves). What's happening in Maze city is what happened in one of the episode of GITSSAC 2nd GIG where the Major while training some new recruits gets accidentally pulled into a Mysterious Virtual World without any wired connections(Episode 11: Grass Labyrinth; AFFECTION).  But even then she was rendered immobile in the real world, unlike in Maze city where mobility is possible.
So what's happening in Maze city can be Real or Unreal or both.
Say for example let's consider a simple action- walking.
You could be really walking in Maze city but your mind can be made to think by the system that you are doing something else.
In the same way, you could be really sitting in the 2nd floor in Maze city, but if the virtual reality system(built into the Babylon tower) wants you to think that you're standing in a hallway all alone in the 3rd floor, then you're there.

Compare this to the Movie The Matrix. The characters in The Matrix cannot do any action in the real world when they get plugged in. They have just sit/lay on a chair.

I hope whoever reading this is not confused. Virtual Reality is explained in more detail in FAQ number 8 below.
If you have any questions, even after reading the detailed explanation, then don't hesitate to ask.



2# Why did the creators of Getbackers Imagine such a complex, hard to understand place?

I guess that's because the concept of a plain old Virtual Reality is old now. They wanted an innovative place to create a story around it.
Also, another reason behind this idea of someone having mobility in both reality & virtual-reality is, it opens up endless and new possibilities of creating plots & sub-plots. This inturn opens up endless and new possibilities of fighting sequences.
And unlike other Anime where random incoherent stuff(Deus ex machina) is prevalent(like for example in Neon genesis Evangelion or any other psychological & philosophical Anime), in here there is unpredictable yet completely coherent plots and ending, which is truly amazing.


3# Did the Creators Imagine the "Evil Eye" too?

No. Ban's Evil Eye wasn't something which was imagined by the Creators of Getbackers. Evil Eye has a long history in Europe.

In the Middle Ages witches were said to give anyone who crossed them the evil eye. Also they were thought to be able to bewitch their convicting judges with it, and this was why they were made to walk backwards toward the judges.
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/e/evil_eye.html

As we all know, Ban's Grandmother is a witch.

4# Wow! I didn't know that Evil Eye has a history. So what else is real in Getbackers?

Bombay Blood
The Bombay Blood Group mentioned in Episode 35 really exists. It is one of the rarest blood type in the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hh_antigen_system
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1008936


Also, if you think only Ginji has the power to create thousands of volts then think again
Man Generates  30,000 Volts
SYDNEY, Australia (AP) ó In a case of hot fashion, a man released so much static electricity from his jacket that he left burn marks in the carpet of a business.
Fire officials in Victoria state said Frank Clewer had built up at least 30,000 volts of static electricity in his jacket simply by walking around the city of Warrnambool, according to the Australian Broadcasting Corp.
He received his first shock when he walked into a local business Thursday afternoon.
"It sounded almost like a firecracker or something like that," Clewer said.
Burns less than an inch in diameter were left on the carpet where he had been standing, the report said. It did not say if Clewer was injured.
Fire officials evacuated the building, fearing the incident might trigger electrical problems, but let Clewer go, the report said.
When he got in his car, Clewer's problems continued.
"I actually scorched a piece of plastic I had on the floor of the car," he said.
Fire officials took Clewer's jacket and said it continued to give off voltage.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169653,00.html

And Emishi's Loulan Kingdom is also real:
"One of the great mysteries in Chinese history is the disappearance of the ancient city of Loulan. The city was located about 300 km (186.4 miles) northeast of Ruoqiang County, Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region and adjacent to another early city, Dunhuang in Gansu Province. Like Pompeii in ancient Rome which drowned in a sea of volcanic ash, Loulan fell victim to an incredible natural disaster that transformed the once beautiful city into a barren and perilous desert landscape. This inexplicable event has whetted the curiosity of archaeologists and other scientists over the years."
Read the rest in this link: http://yeschinatour.com/china-guides/china...ent-city-korla/


5# I heard that Ginji is Taller than Ban. Is that true?

Yup, believe it. It's true.



6# Does Ban have a Dark side? Because in one scene he was really Scary.

Yup, Ban has a Dark side. This isn't very clear because the Anime touched this aspect only a few times. But from what I have seen it seems like whatever is responsible for his ability to draw power from Asclepius(his birth star) is the same thing which is responsible for his Dark Side.



7# In one scene Akabane says that Ban is a genius when it comes to keen Battle Instincts. Is Ban really a Genius?

You can judge it yourself whether he is a Genius or not. Fact is, Ban's Instincts as well as his Reasoning ability are that of a Detective & a Battle Strategist. He always watches the people around him and accurately deduces what they are thinking, most of the time. As a result he knows what is about to happen and plans accordingly. Here is an Example... Don't take your eyes off Ban in this video- http://view.break.com/488608

The above video is just a sample. If you watch Getbackers carefully then you'll see those kinds of scenes in every episode.

8# Who is the strongest in Getbackers? I know that Ban defeated Jackal in Episode 48. But since you said that whatever happens in Maze city is only Half real, who is the strongest in reality(in the real world)? or Who is the strongest outside Maze city?

Before I answer that question you need to know what a perfect Virtual Reality really is. A perfect Virtual Reality(or VR in short) is nothing but a false reality created within the minds/brains of people. Since everything we experience in reality is nothing but an signal sent to our brains by our five senses, a perfect Virtual Reality setup/system mimics or simulates the five senses perfectly.. or in other words a perfect VR system sends a signal similar to the signal which our 5 senses sends directly into our brains. So we can see, hear, smell, taste & feel objects, even though those objects don't actually exist. In other words, a perfect VR system has the ability to create Perfect Illusions within the minds of people.

The fight between Ban & Jackal was a virtual fight.. the fight only took place in Virtual Reality(or in other words the fight only took place inside the minds of Ban & Jackal). Here's a hint: Go to Episode 48 & don't take your eyes of Jackal's clothes both during and after Ban defeats him.

How Ban defeated the Lightning Emperor is still not shown explicitly, but he defeated him the same way he defeated Jackal. How did he defeat Jackal? He defeated him because of his "Evil Eye" ability. No he didn't use his Evil Eye on Jackal, but he defeated him because of his Evil Eye.
Ban has an idea of how the Virtual Reality System works side-by-side with Reality, in Maze city. He knows how the VR system works because of his Evil Eye ability. Evil Eye is an ability of witches to create Perfect Illusions inside the minds of others.. or in other words the "Evil Eye" is just like a Virtual reality system. Witches who can use the Evil Eye know how illusions are created in the Human Brain more than anybody else. If they didn't know that then they can never make others hallucinate, or make them see illusions, in the first place. So it's safe to say that Ban used his knowledge of Virtual Reality/Illusions to get an edge over Jackal in his fight with him in Episode 48.

MazeCity's Virtual-Reality is nothing but an illusion created within the minds of others. The one who has the power to overcome illusions(which ofcourse cannot be done unless he has the knowledge of how illusions are created in the human brain) will have the advantage in a virtual fight. Since Ban is a master of creating illusions within the minds of others(because of his Evil Eye ability), & has a lot of experience doing this, naturally he holds the edge in a virtual fight. This was explained in plain terms as "Stronger mind"(or Stronger "will power" as was translated by the fan subbers). People who have the power to Overcome illusions obviously have a strong mind. This is also how he broke into the illusion and rescued Himiko and scared the shit out of Kagami in Episode 20.
So there you have it.. now you know how Ban defeated Jackal in the virtual fight, inside maze city in Episode 48.

So this means that outside Maze city no one knows who the strongest is. But judging by what's happened so far, I'd say Jackal would emerge as the victor if Ban fights him outside Maze city(the real world). That is of course if Jackal doesn't fall into Ban's Evil Eye. If Ban manages to catch Jackal in his Evil Eye, then the fight's over.

# Hold on.. then can Ban always prevail over the illusions in Maze city?
Nope.. like I said before Ban has the advantage and that's it. He cannot completely overcome the illusions, but he can dilute the effects of virtual-reality/illusions to a extent and thus gain an upper hand. This applies to Ginji as well. If Ginji thinks his friends are in danger then he can instinctively manipulate the illusions to a great extent. If there is no such emergency then his ability to manipulate the illusions drops drastically.

9# How does Ginji fits into all this? How can Ginji possess so much power inside Maze city than in the outside world?
Ginji can do 2 things in Maze city which he cannot do in the outside world.
First he can absorb the radiation-signals(microwaves) which fill Maze city and converts it into unbelievable amounts electricity & concentrated microwaves, thus becoming more powerful. As you know, Microwaves can be converted into heat or electricity, and vice versa(Physics 101).
The second thing which he can do is the most important. Ginji is very similar to Ban. Ban holds the edge in Maze city because of his experience with illusions. Ginji on the other hand can manipulate the signals of the VR system because of his microwave generating ability.
Ginji can generate electricity & microwaves, which we all know. The VR system in Maze city works by sending signals(in the form of Microwaves) into the brains of others. Ginji can tap into these microwaves and send in his own Microwave signal. The Microwave signal which he sends holds his desires & wishes. If he wishes to become 10,000 times powerful to protect his friends, then he can become just that, If he wishes to win a fight, then he can win it.. since he is generating his own microwave signals, and hence his own illusions reflecting his desires and wishes, into the brains of others. And that's why he can do anything he wants inside Maze city. That's the awesome power of Ginji.

The Microwave signal which he sends is what Ban explained it to others(in Episode 24) in plain & simple language as "Ginji's Aura". And he sends his desires & wishes as microwave signals instinctively, as explained by Ban.

So we have 2 people, one who knows how to cleverly operate in a Virtual environment(Ban Midou) & the other can tap into the Microwave signal network and send his own desires & wishes as his own microwave signal(Ginji Amano). These 2 people, the Getbackers, are unbeatable inside Maze city. The only people who can challenge them are those who can manipulate the virtual space using other means.. like for example- #Makubex, who hacks into the computer in the Archive(which drives or operates the Microwave machine) and instructs that computer which inturn instructs the Microwave machine to send Makubex's instructed/programmed illusions/Microwave signal, & the #Brains Trust who are the architect behind this VR place. The Brains Trust are the ones who created this Microwave based VR system in the first place.

In case you didn't know, there are 3 major components which are required to run the Virtual Reality System in Maze city- the Archive(a database which holds all the virtual-reality data), The Main Computer(which runs the data in the Archive & feeds the data to the microwave machine), & the third & the most important component.. The Microwave Machine(built into the building itself). I think the Archive hosts both the data as well as the Main computer. Further explanation regarding this is given in FAQ no: 12.

10# Are there any Differences between the Manga & the Anime?

There are many MANY differences between Manga & the Anime of Getbackers. Infact there are many differences in the Anime itself.

Differences in Anime:
The first difference is between the T.V release & the DVD release.

In the DVD release, the Animation is more crispier and has very highly detail.


DVD release


DVD release


T.V release

The first pic was taken from Animax. Although Animax is a T.V channel it aired the DVD version of Getbackers from August 2005. Before August 2005 it aired the T.V version.
Since the Animax pic is of low quality I have included a second pic taken from the DVD itself. You can clearly notice the difference between the 2nd & the 3rd pic... the basic Animation difference(face, eyes, shadows, glasses, hair before the eyes.. etc) between the two are clearly visible. Also, you can see clearly that there is no Animation in the edges in the T.V version. But in the DVD version additional Animation was added around the edges.

"So what exactly is a T.V & a DVD version?" will naturally be your next question. T.V releases are the First aired versions of an Anime in Japan. If you are a downloader and if you downloaded an Anime from fan subbers, it is undoubtdly a T.V version. The Fan subbers record the Anime from Anime channels in Japan and subtitle them for the Anime Community to download. So downloaders will most probably have the T.V releases in their collection.
DVD releases are re-mastered versions which features very high detailed Animation and extremely enhanced Audio.


The second difference is between the various Dubs of Getbackers.
Here is the list of Dubs which have been made-
French
German
Portuguese
Spanish
Filipino(Tagalog)
2 English Dubs
& Of course, the Japanese Originals.

The ADV dub is from the Distributor AD Vision inc and was released on DVDs. The Animax Dub is from Sony Pictures and was aired in South Asia & South East Asia on the Animax Channel from Dec 2004 to Aug 2007. The English Dub by the Distributor(ADV) is a copy of the Japanese Originals, while the English Dub by Sony Pictures(Animax) is a copy of both the Japanese Originals and the Manga. This is because the Scriptwriter(Mike Quinn) used both Manga and the Japanese voiced Anime as his reference while writing the dialogues for the Animax version. As a result his dialogues bear a trait similar to the Manga. The dialogs in ADV/Japanese Originals are often stiff & formal while Animax often features Slangy dialogs similar to the Manga. The manga was meant for late teens & Adult Audience, and hence has a more Informal/Slangy tinge than the Anime. As a result, Ban is more bad ass & cocky in the Animax version than in the ADV version. Ginji is a lot dumber & funny in Animax version than in the ADV version. Jackal sports a British accent in the ADV version while in the Animax version he has a neutral Accent. There are also some use of 'foul' words in dialogues of the Animax version.


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Differences between the Manga & the Anime

There are many differences between Anime & Manga/Comics. In General, The Manga is targeted at the 18+ Age group but the Anime is only for the 15+ Age group. So there is no Blood at all in Anime. They have almost completely removed Blood resulting from Battles. Also, Jackal kills his opponents by cutting off the Arms & the head from the torso/body.. but in the Anime he just cuts a Zorro Style "J" mark on the back of the opponents.
Here are 2 more differences: The first difference is in Episode 2(which I have explained in the next question). The second difference is in Episode 48.. which I don't want to spoil it for Manga readers.

The Miroku Brothers are only 2 personalities in the Anime. In the Manga, they have 7 personalities. Oh.. and they are NOT split personalities, they are actually 7(or 2 in the Anime) different souls. Those 7 souls cannot appear together and have to share a single place & time.


There are still many MANY more differences.. If I had the time I could list them all.. but unfortunately I don't. So Grab the Manga and see for yourself.  : )

11# What actually happened at the end of episode 2?

In the Manga-
Only the Old Man gets the Evil Eye.

In the Anime-



Only Ginji gets the Evil Eye. Ban after inquiring about the state of the Old Man(with the ambulance doctor) gives Ginji the Evil eye so that he shouldn't feel bad about the daughter not coming to see her father. As you know, Ginji is a soft type and was very interested & emotionally attached to this case even after Ban rejected it.
Point to note: The Old man's eyes and Ban's eye never met. The Old man just laid lifeless looking at the sky, he didn't look into Ban's eye. It's possible that he died after opening his eyes.

There is a second version... In it Ginji accidentally gets hit by the Evil Eye when Ban was busy giving his Evil Eye to the old man. Or in other words, both Ginji as well as the Old Man get the Evil Eye. But I don't know how the old man can get it without looking at Ban. So there is a serious flaw in this version.
Taking all these facts into perspective, I would go for version 1.

Last few seconds in the Anime(ADV version)- Ginji suspects that it was Ban's Evil Eye. But he still isn't sure about it.

Last few seconds in the Anime(Animax version)- Ginji doesn't suspects anything. He still believes that the Daughter really came.


12# What happened at the end of Episode 49(last episode)? They said that Makubex & all virtual people were free. So does that mean that they can leave Maze city?

Nope. Those people can never leave Maze city. What happened was... hmm... before I explain it you need to know how Maze city works.
There are 3 major components which are required to run the Virtual part of Maze city(lower town)- the Archive(a database which holds all the virtual data of Lower Town), The Main Computer(which runs the data in the Archive & feeds the data into the  Microwave machine), & the third & the most important component.. The Microwave Machine(built into the building itself). I think the Archive hosts both the data as well as the Main computer, but we'll consider them as separate entities for now.
The Archive & the Main computer are under the complete control of the Brain trust(Complete control in the sense the Brain trust can delete or Modify any data which they please). So what the GB team did was they copied the data from the Archive to the Paul's computer. Now with the Data in Paul's computer, they can run it in the same computer and use the Microwave machine built into Maze city to bring the Virtual things & Virtual people to life. After they copied the data, they destroyed the original(Archive). Now the data is completely separate from the Brain trust. The Brain trust can no longer modify or delete the data of the Virtual people as well as all the other virtual data concerned with Maze city(lower town).
Now since the Microwave machine is built into Maze city, those people can only exist inside Maze city. That's why I said those people can never leave.


13# In the Il arc(Episode 11 to 25) Makubex always says that it's all according to plan. But how can anyone plan all that? Did makubex knew Kazuki would escape and Ban would rescue Himiko?

Nope he didn't. The plan which he keeps on saying is not the plan which you're thinking of. It's a logical step plan.. or in otherwords it's like a computer algorithm. He expects every possibility which could happen and then writes down a flow chart/algorithm to always have the upper hand, and thus accomplishing his goal of completing the nuclear weapon.
Let's consider the scene in Episode 20 in which Himiko is captured by Kagami. Now if Himiko is killed, then these set of instructions should be executed by his gang, OR if Himiko survives on her own and escapes then these set of instructions should be carried out by his people. OR if Ban saves Himiko then another set of instructions should be executed by the people under his command, OR fourth possibility, Or fifth possibility... Get it? Now since Ban saved Himiko then the instruction is for Kagami to kill them both failing which he is to retreat, and if possible make Ban waste one of his Evil Eye. Kagami accomplished the task of making Ban waste one of his Evil Eye, but he didn't accomplish the task of killing them both. If Kagami had succeeded in killing both of them then another set of instructions listed in the algorithm/plan should be carried out. Since Kagami only managed to waste Ban's evil eye a single time, then alternate set of plan/instructions are carried out. All the possibilities are pre-written, hence the usage of the word- Plan. Only one possibility was not taken into account by his plan, and that was Ginji Amano getting to the basement first.


14# What was Makubex doing in the Il arc? I can't understand anything.

Makubex wanted to know if he really existed. He wanted to know whether his existence/being(which is a computer program) is capable of independent thought and actions, and not which is controlled by the Gods of Babylon city. To prove that, he has to show that he can challenge the Gods of Maze city.. since Gods(or the people incharge) cannot be in-control of a program which challenges or blackmails them. So he decides to build a nuclear weapon.
He was constructing a nuclear weapon to Blackmail the Gods of Babylon city. The Gods of Babylon city, who control the entire complex(Lower Town, the Beltline and the Babylon city) can change entire scenario in Maze city if they wish to. It's kinda like an administrator having overall control of a computer server. He wanted the administrators/Gods to change the way Maze city is currently in. He wanted the old days of the volts to come back, and for that to happen the Gods should change the Virtual Reality system to that period of Maze city(Maze City is also known as Infinity Fortress or Limitless Fortress). That was his plan.
Il plays 2 parts in this plan, first and the most important part is to force or blackmail the Gods thereby proving that he exists, and the second is to summon Ginji and the others into maze city in order to create the old days of Maze city where the volts were present. That's because without Ginji there would be no volts.
The first part of his plan was extremely risky because the Administrator/Gods would just treat Makubex and the others as out-of-control programs and just erase them completely, just like resetting a video game.
The second part was also risky because Kazuki, Shido and even Ginji could have died in this scheme. Also his dream wouldn't have been complete because the fourth god(Masaki) isn't present.

But still Makubex continued his megalomaniacal plan because of his unwavering & firm obsession to know if he is capable of independent thought and actions(or in other words, if he truly exists). Thankfully Kazuki, Shido and Ginji were all alive.. and when he was just about force the Gods, Ban stopped him using his evil eye. If he didn't stop Makubex, then either the Gods would have granted his wish and changed Maze city to the old days of the volts(without Masaki), OR they would have just killed all the virtual people(including makubex) by erasing all the data. Most probably they would have chosen the second option, so Ban did the right thing stopping Makubex.


15# What was Masaki doing during the second Maze city arc?

The fear that everyone had during the first Maze city arc(Il retrieval), that there is the possibility the Gods would delete all the data and kill everyone, becomes a reality now. The Gods decide to erase all the data which forms the virtual part of Maze city because Makubex was becoming more and more powerful because of his increasing knowledge of how Maze city works, and the Gods(or the Brains Trust as they are called) were a bit fearful of that. They were planning to erase not just Makubex's data but all the Virtual Reality data and start afresh. But Masaki jumps in to save all the virtual people and also Makubex by striking a deal with the Gods. He says that he can imprison him permanently and thus remove the threat from Makubex. And after that he takes Makubex's place and rules over the lower town.
Ginji and the others say to Masaki that he shouldn't follow orders from the Gods just because they are powerful. They give confidence to him by saying that the Getbackers would take on the Gods and win.


16# How did Ginji defeat Masaki in Episode 49? How could he see Masaki after he has closed his eyes?

That's because of Ginji's "Aura". Ginji can tap into the microwave-signal network.. or in other words he can feel, read and even send microwaves. The virtual reality system works by Radiation(most probably Microwave Radiation), which we all know. Ginji can read Masaki's actions(which is Virtual, remember this is a virtual fight) because Masaki's actions are nothing but microwaves impacting the brain to create the illusion that a fight is taking place. Since Ginji has the capability to feel, read and even send his own microwaves by instinct, he knows what Masaki is doing by reading the microwaves responsible for creating the illusion that Masaki is throwing a punch. That's why he counters his moves successfully even with his eyes closed. The previous injury given to Masaki by Teshimine makes him to lose his concentration, thereby helping Ginji to land a powerful volt packed punch to immobilise Masaki completely.


17# I came to know from some people that Getbackers is a Yaoi Anime, and that Ban & Ginji are Gay. Is that true?

Nope.. it's just a wish of some yaoi fans. Getbackers are anything but Gay or Bisexual.. and that goes for every other character in Getbackers, including Kazuki and Jubei. Infact there is a story behind it.. when more and more fangirls started liking Getbackers, the person responsible for Art, Rando Ayamine responded positively to the idea of Kazuki and Juubei being gay when the Getbackers manga was close to completion. Another person responsible for animation released a fan service album in which the characters were implied as Homosexuals. Rando Ayamine asked Yuya Aoki(the main man - a.k.a the story writer) to make Kazuki and Jubei a Gay couple when the manga ends. But ( -Possible Spoilers ahead, I suggest you don't read it- Highlight it if you want to read ) he(Yuya Aoki) refused his request, And for good reasons too.. Kazuki already has a girl, Ren who is in the pharmacy. Kazuki who gets confused by others of being a girl, gets paired up with the pharmacy girl Ren who gets confused by others of being a boy, makes perfect sense.


18# I often hear Ban say that the Getbackers have a near 100% success rate. But they have failed in a lot of missions. How can they have a near 100% success rate if they fail in their missions?

That's a lie ofcourse. You can call it one of Ban's Marketing ideas to get some customers. Infact, in manga he often tells Ginji to even drop the "near" word.


19# So that's a Lie??

Yup. BTW, this isn't the only time he lied or tricked someone. If you watch GB carefully you can guess which are lies/tricks and which aren't. For example-

In Episode 33, Ban lied to Jackal that he used the Evil Eye on him, but actually he didn't. It was actually this thing he is carrying on his back-




We all know what happened in Episode 2. So I'll skip it.

Another incident is the Evil Eye on Shido in Episode 6 & 7. Ofcourse he explains it in the end but he still doesn't say how long the Evil Eye lasted. But I figured it out: The Evil Eye ended after Shido sees the illusion of Ban falling to the Ground when all the animals jump on him.

In Episode 34, Ban says to that Old Man that it was all part of the plan and he finally managed to trick him. But actually it was a lie(He really got his butt kicked and got captured. Ofcourse, the reason he lost the fight was because the enemy had surprised him). He lied to get even with the old man and thereby get his pride back.
Even Ginji gets pulled into that lie and thinks that everything happening there was part of the plan. As a result they lose the Diamond.
The real plan was the one which is a shown as a flash-back just before Ginji entered the Mansion.

I was able to figure out Ban's lie in Episode 33 without any difficulty because of several clues. But Episode 34 was a little tough because the clues were hard to figure.


20# So let me get this straight, Ban plays tricks and never explains it? We have to figure it out?

Yup!! He lies and plays tricks and only explains it sometimes. Half of the time we have to figure it out.
Also lies aren't the only thing in Getbackers which are not explained. Like I mentioned before, Ban always watches the people around him, so watch out for those & get some hints from there. Also there is the complex nature of Maze city which we have to figure out ourselves.
I'd like to explain more Hidden & Complex stuff in GB but I'm pretty much exhausted writing all this. If you want to understand everything which are Subtle & Complex in GB, then do what I always do when watching GB... think like Ban.
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Main Characters' Profiles-

Name: Kuroudou Akabane(a.k.a Dr.Jackal)

Occupation: Mercenary

Past & Origins: Unknown.

Powers: Flash Speed, Bloody Rain, Bloody Hurricane, Bloody Cross(used only once against Kagami) & Bloody Stream.
Jackal has scalpels hidden inside his body which he can control telepathically. Very little is known about this power.. he only says that He acquired this ability through years of experience.

Ultimate Power: Bloody Sword

Ideal Battle Ground: The real world, outside Maze city.

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Name: Ban Midou

Occupation: Retrieval Specialist

Past & Origins: Unknown. But it's known that he descended from a long line of European Witches.

Powers: Flash Speed(but not as fast as Jackal), the Snake Bite Grip, Evil Eye & Invoking the Asclepius(his birth star).

Ultimate Power: Invoking the Asclepius + Power to Overcome Illusions in Maze city because of his years of experience with Illusions.

Ideal Battle Ground: Inside Maze city.

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Name: Ginji Amano (a.k.a Thunder[or Lightning] Emperor)

Occupation: Retrieval Specialist

Past & Origins: Abandoned in Maze city at a very young age, he went on to become the Emperor of Maze city & commanding the admiration & loyalty of 4 Powerful Men, who were known as the 4 Gods of Maze city.

Powers: Can generate Electricity & Radiation(probably Microwaves).

Ultimate Power: Absorbing and then converting microwaves in Maze city into unbelievable amounts of Electricity & Microwaves + Manipulating the virtual part of Maze city using his "Aura".

Ideal Battle Ground: Inside Maze city.

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PS: Maze city is a Half real & a Half virtual place. That's why both real & virtual powers are needed to excel in Maze city. The power preceding the "+ sign" is the real power of Ban & Ginji, & the power following the "+ sign" is their virtual power.
Since Jackal doesn't have the power to manipulate the virtual part of Maze city, he is at a disadvantage in Maze city. But in the Real world(outside maze city), he is the most powerful.. i.e if Ban doesn't catch him in his Evil Eye.
The 'ultimate power' of Ban & Ginji is explained in more detail in the FAQ.
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2010, 04:25:01 pm »

Thank you for posting this here!!!  I found this same post elsewhere awhile back -- I don't even remember where, probably in one of my endless searches for more GB goodies -- and I have really found it EXTREMELY helpful in getting my head around the Infinity Fortress.  Not to mention it's full of all kinds of interesting facts about the anime -- in particular, it was this information that made me realize that Ban had used the Evil Eye on Ginji in Episode 2 of the anime.   Shocked

Come to think of it, I think I saw this at the forum linked in your signature -- but I happened upon a good year ago or more.  It's nice to know it was your work and to be able to thank you for that link that I have had saved in my favorites since I happened upon it!
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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2010, 06:29:08 pm »

Wow! Thank you! I can't believe how much information you gathered! I learn so much today! Even some I would never even would think of! This one is interact and deep story!  Thank you for sharing with us...now, I just digest all the information. Grin

I never actually bothered with license DVD version...since I watched the TV version long time ago!  Grin Wow, talk about the difference in quailty and different translation of DVD release...I would never realized how different the publisher would make! Grin
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Come to think of it, I think I saw this at the forum linked in your signature -- but I happened upon a good year ago or more.  It's nice to know it was your work and to be able to thank you for that link that I have had saved in my favorites since I happened upon it!
wow.. thanks Lin! Smiley I was always wondering whether people were reading that, I'm extremely glad to know they were. I'm happy all that effort was worth it.

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in particular, it was this information that made me realize that Ban had used the Evil Eye on Ginji in Episode 2 of the anime.
Yeah.
I missed it the first time. I only noticed it while watching GB the second time.

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Wow! Thank you! I can't believe how much information you gathered! I learn so much today! Even some I would never even would think of! This one is interact and deep story!  Thank you for sharing with us...now, I just digest all the information.
Extremely glad you liked it, somehow_here. Smiley

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I never actually bothered with license DVD version...since I watched the TV version long time ago!  Wow, talk about the difference in quailty and different translation of DVD release...I would never realized how different the publisher would make!
Yeah.. the DVD has some really good Animation. And yes, there are differences in translation. What's more is, there is another English dub which was dubbed by Sony called Animax dub. It isn't included in the DVD. It was aired by the Animax channel. As I mentioned it before in another topic, it was this Dub which made me a GB fan. They removed the soft voices and insipid dialogues and made it a hard core shounen. It captures the persona of 3 lead characters beautifully in a hard core set up. An example: Although people who have watched the subtitled version first may find it hard to accept a virile voice.
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2010, 02:16:32 pm »

This is pretty intense, dude. Nice work.
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Arigatou Shisui!  Smiley Glad you liked it.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2010, 06:11:16 pm »

I gave you two karma points for this thread.

I... damn, I can't even begin to imagine what time and thoughts you must have put into compiling this! I have a hard time wrapping my head around what exactly is going on in Infinity Fortress, but this F.A.Q. certainly helped me sort things out. It also provides good technical information about the series itself, such as pointing out the differences between the TV version of the anime and the DVD version - in fact, this is what finally convinced me to do what I should have done a long time ago; to buy the DVD collection. You use good formulations and explain the answers with good English to make it understandable even for us who don't know English very well. Just... wow.

SUPERB WORK!!

5# I heard that Ginji is Taller than Ban. Is that true?

Yup, believe it. It's true.


And yet tons of doujin-kas and fanartists insist on drawing Ginji as some short, annoying, whimpy, oh-so-rapeable little uke boy.... Argh. I fucking hate that.

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Ayamine Rando, CONFIRMED YAOI FANBOY!!!! Shocked Just draw your own yaoi manga already, dude! .... I'd pay to read it......


Also, I watched the Animax dub clips you provided, as well as a couple of entire episodes. My opinion?
Well....
While I whole-heartedly agree that the script is ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC and the scripwriter deserves all kinds of praise and credits for his efforts that he can get... The same thing can't be said about the voice cast. Sure, I'm used to the Japanese cast so hearing my beloved retrieval agents and their friends and enemies speak with different voices will naturally sound uncomfortable to me, but... but... the Animax voices were awful. I'm not going to hold it against you for thinking that the persona main trio was beautifully captured in this dub, but to me, it couldn't be worse.
First of all, the voices were just. Too. Damn. Deep. You say that they sound badass. I think they sound like old men twice as old as the supposed ages of the characters. I mean seriously, what happened to Ginji's innocent goofyness? And why's Ban not sneaky like a serpent? Where's Akabane's bloodthirst? And why do they sound so SIMILAR? If it wasn't for the screen, I could NEVER tell which character was talking. This wouldn't be half bad if they at least could make up for it with their acting but... They don't. It's stiff and whenever they raise their voices, it just sounds awkward. Bleh.
Just so you know; yes, I have watched episodes with the ADV dub as well, and it wasn't particularily good either. The main problem with that dub was that all characters sounded exactly the same, though instead of sounding deep, they were just.... neutral and forgettable. Perhaps even "soft" as you said. But at least it doesn't hurt my ears, unlike another dub...

.... Not that I'm stating it as if it was a scientic fact, just that this was MY view on the whole thing. Wink Love and Peace!
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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2010, 05:11:07 am »

Thanks so much Lovux. Smiley I'm extremely pleased people are finding it useful.


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And yet tons of doujin-kas and fanartists insist on drawing Ginji as some short, annoying, whimpy, oh-so-rapeable little uke boy.... Argh. I fucking hate that.
hehe.. yeah. Ban's spiky hair creates the illusion that he is taller, but when viewed with his hair down, it's obvious who's taller.

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First of all, the voices were just. Too. Damn. Deep. You say that they sound badass. I think they sound like old men twice as old as the supposed ages of the characters.
and whenever they raise their voices, it just sounds awkward
Oh no.. not at all, didn't take it personally. Infact, I expect people to say this. I totally understand you. Infact, I've gone through that phase. As most of english speakers here, I was first introduced to dubs. When I first saw the subs I did find it to be smooth and pleasing to hear. It felt like a new experience from the dubs. Infact when I noticed most anime fans prefer the subs over the dubs, even I got pulled into it. When I started to dwell deep into it only then I realized something. There were little or no variations in harmonics and decible levels at all.. hence there wasn't much of a difference whether they sound murderous or talking casually or angry. It felt like the Japanese VAs are trying hard not to break the barrier. Ofcourse their emotions are conveyed, but it is all within the barrier of not sounding too harsh. This is a far cry from say, some hollywood action heros. Anyway.. that's when I read about the Kawaii culture in Japan. With Anime and Manga leading this phenomenon, it's obvious why the Seiyuu don't breach the barrier and thus sound harsh and uncute. Infact, the voice actress of Kenshin.. that was the extreme version of this. Many people find subs to be nice over the dubs in Kenshin, but I find it totally wrong. Kenshin is in his mid or late 20's. When I first watched it, when the Actress spoke, I was searching who was the woman character who's speaking. When I realized it was kenshin, I missed a heart beat. But people still say Kenshin's Jap voice is the best. Ofcourse I respect that since it is part of the Kawaii Culture.

The VA for the Animax dub were in their early-mid 20's when they dubbed it. Ban and Ginji unlike the Manga where they are 18 years old, they are 21 in the Anime. So the voices does match. They are not as low pitched as say bad-ass actors like Bruce or Gene Hackman, but just right to fit in the role of GB anime characters. Jackal is older than Ban and Ginji and is most probably in his late 20's or early 30's.

When people raise their voices or get emotional, their pitch and decibel levels does change. Ofcourse it isn't very Kawaii, but it's the normal realistic way. People have to watch it without looking through the prism of Kawaii-ness to appreciate it. Or else it will hurt the ears.

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I mean seriously, what happened to Ginji's innocent goofyness? And why's Ban not sneaky like a serpent? Where's Akabane's bloodthirst? And why do they sound so SIMILAR?
Well actually Ginji does sound goofy and innocent in the dub but not as much as in the sub. In the subs, in my opinion, he sounds like a 15 year old, so naturally he's more innocent sounding there. Ban is sly, you need to watch a few more episodes there. And what's more, he's cool & Bad-ass. He even uses swear words sometimes and acts like a punk like in the manga, unlike the dignified Ban we know in the subs. Nobutoshi Canna's voice fits for Ban in the subs. Jackal's voice, well, I find it too soft in the subs. This reminds me, I've read youtube comments where casual fans have concluded that he was gay based on the voice and the way he speaks. Jackal's voice is deep for his age and he maintains his coolness, which I find nice in the Animax one. I'll get you a Jackal video which I made long back.. you'd find it interesting with regards to his lust for blood. ((This reminds me, I made a very short GB parody sometime back.. totally forgot about it.)) In the ADV dub, I dunno, maybe Americans would appreciate it since Brits are popular villains there.. hehe.. he carries an English accent in the ADV. However the dubs are also not as flawless. There are a couple of dubbing errors. Also, Jackal is voiced by different VA in a few episodes in the Animax one. The ADV dub changed Ban's voice actor after a few episodes. In the ADV, they have changed Ban's name to Bon. In the Animax dub Shido is called Sido. Infinity fortress becomes Limitless fortress in the ADV while it's Maze city in the Animax one.
They have cut down some of the female fan service in the animax dub.. for example.. there is no "like a horse" dialogue, and ofcourse no "Ban-chan".
There are are many more differences.


Dunno why you find it similar. I think it's maybe because the recorded Animax videos have a very low quality & low pitched Audios which mashes up the voices and makes it even deeper/low pitched than it usually is.

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Stiff? No way.. they convey their emotions with usual vigor, which explains their changes in pitch. They are the least stiff of the 3, atleast to me. Smiley

Still like I said, to each his own. People have different tastes afterall. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2010, 05:38:51 am »

Great job on the FAQ, these info will be really great for people who just finished watching the anime and are scratching their heads (like I did)
The manga ending however, did a better explanation on all this...(read the spoiler on wikipedia), but again, for those who don't read the manga...these explanations should suffice.
Once again, great job!
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2010, 05:52:08 am »

Thanks Harow. Smiley
Yeah, the manga as it reaches later chapters would provide a better explanation. I'll have to update this FAQ when that happens. But info given here after the Anime and Manga diverges would most probably remain the same.
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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2010, 08:32:57 am »

I haven't really given the dub a fair go, being a Japanese voice/English sub person myself.  However, I do have a dual audio version I can watch that has both dub and Japanese -- not sure which dub it is, though.  After reading this through again, I'm feeling like I want to check it out and give the dub a chance!   Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2010, 12:01:58 pm »

That is the ADV dub Lin. Not sure whether you'll like it or not, but like you said you should give it a chance. In the link below there is a video which compares all 3. Check it out if you're interested. Smiley

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I didn't find the Jackal comparison video Lovux, but I did find this-

This is from my fav fight, Ginji vs Kaoru and also Ban vs the Wind kid, which I made years ago. All 3- Japanese with English subs, ADV and Animax are compared. Ginji vs kaoru battle is my fav that's why I made this. But apart from that you can also compare Ban. The differences are amazing. You can make out who's the cocky and Bad-ass Ban among the 3, and which of these 3 Ban's character relates with the Manga. This reminds me of Ban vs Priest Saicho's fight for some reason.
The Animax video, as I pointed out earlier is no where near the DVD quality of the other 2, because it isn't from a DVD. You can notice the low quality/low pitch Audio here when you compare it along side them. Not just the Audio but also the Video.

Here you go- http://rapidshare.com/files/383494742/adv_all.wmv.html
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Oh no.. not at all, didn't take it personally. Infact, I expect people to say this. I totally understand you. Infact, I've gone through that phase. As most of english speakers here, I was first introduced to dubs. When I first saw the subs I did find it to be smooth and pleasing to hear. It felt like a new experience from the dubs. Infact when I noticed most anime fans prefer the subs over the dubs, even I got pulled into it. When I started to dwell deep into it only then I realized something. There were little or no variations in harmonics and decible levels at all.. hence there wasn't much of a difference whether they sound murderous or talking casually or angry. It felt like the Japanese VAs are trying hard not to break the barrier. Ofcourse their emotions are conveyed, but it is all within the barrier of not sounding too harsh. This is a far cry from say, some hollywood action heros. Anyway.. that's when I read about the Kawaii culture in Japan. With Anime and Manga leading this phenomenon, it's obvious why the Seiyuu don't breach the barrier and thus sound harsh and uncute. Infact, the voice actress of Kenshin.. that was the extreme version of this. Many people find subs to be nice over the dubs in Kenshin, but I find it totally wrong. Kenshin is in his mid or late 20's. When I first watched it, when the Actress spoke, I was searching who was the woman character who's speaking. When I realized it was kenshin, I missed a heart beat. But people still say Kenshin's Jap voice is the best. Ofcourse I respect that since it is part of the Kawaii Culture.

Hmmm, I never thought of it that way. I guess it makes sense, to a degree. Whether or not this ďbarrierĒ is broken depends on what genre it is. If you watch a show featuring lots of cute moe moe with helium voices, they are not going to sound harsh anytime Ė they are supposed to be cute no matter what.
For me itís the opposite direction of what you have described. I can think of tons of shows in which the Japanese seiyuu were screaming like mad, donít sound the least cute and have huge changes in their tones whether they are talking casually or murderous, while the English dub actors just couldn't sound anymore bored.

Oh, and Kenshin was based on a real historical figure, an assassin who had so feminine looks that he disguised himself as a geisha to avoid being tracked by pursuers. Maybe the anime producers gave him a female seiyuu to stay true to that one fact, to make him passable as a woman? XD And Watsuki Nobuhiro himself, creator of Rurouni Kenshin, has said that he wanted Kenshin to have a soft-sounding, androgynous voice. In fact, when the first RuroKen drama CD came out (that had a different seiyuu cast from anime), Kenshin had a female seiyuu there too, and while Watsuki admitted that he liked her voice, he still thought it was a bit too rough-sounding than he had imagined for Kenshin. Or something along those lines, I don't remember the EXACT words. Don't be nitpicky.


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The VA for the Animax dub were in their early-mid 20's when they dubbed it. Ban and Ginji unlike the Manga where they are 18 years old, they are 21 in the Anime. So the voices does match.

I know that they are older in the anime than in the manga. Thatís why Iím wondering why they sound like they are in their 40s?


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When people raise their voices or get emotional, their pitch and decibel levels does change. Ofcourse it isn't very Kawaii, but it's the normal realistic way. People have to watch it without looking through the prism of Kawaii-ness to appreciate it. Or else it will hurt the ears.

Iím aware of that too. I can hear it happen in the sub as well. Listen to Akabaneís original seiyuu and youíll hear the difference when heís talking casually or or feeling thrilled. However, what grinds my ears in the Animax dub (and the ADV too, for that matter) is that they sound like they are straining their voices in order to sound like their assigned characters. They arenít using their natural voice tones. Which is why, whenever they raise their voices, it cracks horribly and becomes painfully obvious that the voice they use for the character is just fake. 


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Jackal's voice, well, I find it too soft in the subs. This reminds me, I've read youtube comments where casual fans have concluded that he was gay based on the voice and the way he speaks.

Oh, I ADORE Jackalís Japanese voice. They couldnít have gotten a better seiyuu for him, IMO. He sounds sugary polite and softÖ and simultaneously so cold-blooded, heartless and intimidating in a way that you donít know what heís thinking, and that if you make even ONE wrong move, youíre dead. If I was talking to someone who sounded like Jackal does in the sub, Iíd be a hair away from fainting in fear. For srs.

Not gonna argue with the gay comment though. XD


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The ADV dub changed Ban's voice actor after a few episodes.

AND IíM SO GLAD THEY DID. I hated that idiot they used for the first couple of episodes. His voice itself was passable, I guess, but it was his so-called ďactingĒ that made him unbearable. BECAUSE HE DID NOT ACT AT ALL. I donít think Iíve ever heard a dub where someone was reading directly from the script like he was. Every single line was turned into a total snorefest, and it was obvious that he did it just to be done with it and go home. I call blasphemy!


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In the Animax dub Shido is called Sido

Yeah, I saw just the other day an episode in which Shido showed up, and I was pulling my hair off my head when I heard ďSidoĒ. Well, the hair that was left after pulling off nearly everything I had on my head after hearing Kazuki speak... Iím not even gonna rant.


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They have cut down some of the female fan service in the animax dub.. for example.. there is no "like a horse" dialogue

NOOOOO that was my favourite line in the entire anime!


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and ofcourse no "Ban-chan".

And I love ďBan-chanĒ, so hereís another reason why Iíll stick to the sub~


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Dunno why you find it similar. I think it's maybe because the recorded Animax videos have a very low quality & low pitched Audios which mashes up the voices and makes it even deeper/low pitched than it usually is.

Thatís a possible reason, indeed. But then again, the ADV had the exact same problem (everybody sounding exactly the same). And that dub, I watched high quality videos of. HmmÖ.


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I didn't find the Jackal comparison video Lovux, but I did find this-

This is from my fav fight, Ginji vs Kaoru and also Ban vs the Wind kid, which I made years ago. All 3- Japanese with English subs, ADV and Animax are compared. Ginji vs kaoru battle is my fav that's why I made this. But apart from that you can also compare Ban. The differences are amazing. You can make out who's the cocky and Bad-ass Ban among the 3, and which of these 3 Ban's character relates with the Manga.

My opinion stands firm Ė I agree that the Animax had the best script and has captured manga-Banís personality best in terms of what lines he has, but the voice they gave him isÖ justÖ notÖ good. For the reason Iíve already explained. Although I donít see that much of a difference between the three versions, really. But that might be because I utterly suck at reading between the lines.
The only thing I reacted to was how Ginji said to Kaoru in the sub and ADV versions that heíll never forget her feelings for him, while the Animax dub has it that it's the feelings they had for each other that heíll remember. This makes it sound like they actually had a mutual fling, which definitely is an error. And a rather bad one at that. Angry


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Still like I said, to each his own. People have different tastes afterall. Smiley

Yep, weíre all entitled our own opinions! And I donít mind discussing with people who disagree with me and hearing them out, I think it's interesting. ;P

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